Looks like I'm outvoted on pac-man, although that anti-nostalgia-triggering video of bad 80s pap did little to change my opinion, null! *urgh* *shudders* @ the 80s Think you highlight the difficulties with this kinda thing, Classic - it's how far back you go to define 'genre-defining' - for instance, World of Warcraft: ?? or maybe even, for doom: But still, I persist... Really!? No Ocarina of time?