I tend to run both setup applications, depending on what I'm trying to accomplish. The setups are kinda hard to understand at first but once you get the hang of it then it's very easy. For stuff I don't remember, I tend to read the help context a lot. Even so, both apps have their pros and cons. I myself am writing a new setup application for GameEx as a learning process to vb.net. Maybe some day I will release and hope to simplify things for new user. Adultery and Tom are the only ones who are aware of it and Adultery is the only one who has seen a peak screenshot.