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**randr** · September 22, 2013

Does it just stop adding to that database? Does it keep adding but randomly remove another table? Does it keep going past 330 but only display 330?

**Tom Speirs** · September 23, 2013

There is no hard limit in PinballX, its just an issue where they don't scroll past that in the game list manager so it has to be done manually after that.

**randr** · September 24, 2013

So, if I'm adding tables and get to 331 in game list manager click add does it say something? Or just not add new table? It's funny cause my wheel says 330 tables and I find it odd I stopped at exactly 330. wondering if I added a few and they really didn't get added....no biggy just wondering

**randr** · September 24, 2013

ok. i added a second list of visual pinball tables. All table list will not show 2nd list i have to select it and it shows the tables (qty 2) but if i got to All tables it shows 330 not 332 any ideas? should i just manual add to first list for them to show?

update

if i add visual pinball2(2nd database) to visual pinball group it shows 332 under visual pinball tables. but still not 332 under all tables.

**Tom Speirs** · September 24, 2013

That's expected behaviour. If you go over 330 for a single list you will have to edit the list manually right now.

**Tom Speirs** · September 24, 2013

The next release will support 340 in the game list manager so you have a little more room.

**randr** · September 24, 2013

Sweet! I'm no programmer and I don't pretend to understand any of it but why the 330 limit? 340 is better! More is better right?

**Tom Speirs** · September 24, 2013

Its just the limit the form will allow to be displayed based on the overall size of all controls on the form. Id have to rewrite things to display more, which I may do at some point but since it does not affect many folks Ive left it for now. I was able to get a few extra pixels so that's why its 340 now.

**spootdev** · September 24, 2013

Ah, was wondering about the 330 myself.

**randr** · September 27, 2013

Thank you for 1.62! works like you said. 332 and shows 332.

**Tom Speirs** · September 27, 2013

Thank you for 1.62! works like you said. 332 and shows 332.

Don't get too excited it only still goes up to about 340

**Agrajag** · September 28, 2013

At the rate I've been adding tables, it will be about 5 years before I hit this limit!

**evilantal** · October 4, 2013

Hmmm it seems when you save a list that is over the max displayed number, only the displayed games go into the xml.

I lost everything from P and up this way Lucky I had a backup...

I'm at just about 500 as it is. Would this be an easy issue to tackle?

**randr** · October 4, 2013

Hmmm it seems when you save a list that is over the max displayed number, only the displayed games go into the xml.
I lost everything from P and up this way Lucky I had a backup...
I'm at just about 500 as it is. Would this be an easy issue to tackle?

I stopped at 330, then added 2 on 2nd database.. crazy that you lost some!! wouldn't think that would happen? yikes!

**randr** · October 31, 2013

added 20 plus more and randomly lost 20+ tables off list did show all 367 until a fresh reboot. I was adding tables manually (not game manager)and i understand its a crap load of tables but want every table on list anyone else run into this problem? and anyway to fix it?

**randr** · November 1, 2013

Well I found that I lost "most" games after "T" but not all. Added the missing ones back in manually to database and backed the sucker up and is holding now! even after reboots. Doing it manually(hyperpin style) really makes you appreciate the game manager. All good though thanks tom

**punter1** · November 1, 2013

I thought Tom said there was no limit in PinballX, just the Game Manager.exe.

If its just the Game Manager, rename the Visual Pinball.xml file to vol1.xml, and then create a new list called vol2.xml and add your new tables there. When you are done with Game Manager.exe, exit and run a script to combine vol1.xml and vol2.xml into a single Visual Pinball.xml file (removing the extra <menu> and </menu>)

Here is dos script that would do that:

copy ".\Databases\Visual Pinball\Visual Pinball.xml" ".\Databases\Visual Pinball\Visual Pinball.bak"

type ".\Databases\Visual Pinball\vol1.xml" | findstr /v "</menu>" > ".\Databases\Visual Pinball\Visual Pinball.xml"

type ".\Databases\Visual Pinball\vol2.xml" | findstr /v "<menu>" >> ".\Databases\Visual Pinball\Visual Pinball.xml"

Just put the above into a batch file in the PinballX folder and run it after you use the Game Manager.exe to create the larger Visual Pinball.xml file

I only have 150 tables so it's not an issue for me yet.

**evilantal** · November 1, 2013

I can confirm that it's Game Manager that has the limit.

Saving a file with Game Manager with more tables than the limit, causes you to lose all tables that are over the limit from the xml, sorted alphabetically.

I also lost everything past T this way.

PinballX itself has no limit.

I've been using the Hyperpin XML Editor to edit my lists. That one doesn't have a limit..

http://vpuniverse.com/forums/files/file/439-hyperpin-editor-32-64bit/

**Itchigo** · November 1, 2013

So what you're saying is if you are over the limit use the hp editor.

I can't drive 55!!

**Draco1962** · November 1, 2013

@ randr - I took the liberty of merging this topic with the one you originally started in September where Tom had addressed the issue as being with the limitations of Game List Manager at present. Since he has already acknowledged the issue and increased the limit to 340, any issues with the list exceeding the 340 limit ares not an unknown. There is no sense in two open threads for the same issue and, since there are some user contributed workarounds, while not ideal, they will have to suffice for now.

**randr** · November 2, 2013

I get your point but games disappearing off list I was not aware of. If you add games manually and open game list manager by mistake then I think that's when you loose the games off database not fitting in manager. But if I'm posting known issue that everyone but myself knows about I'll just leave it alone.

**dboyrecords** · November 2, 2013

I've just hit the limit too Am I reading correctly that if I go back to using hp xml gen and not use game mgr (ever again) I can continue my diabolical march towards EVERY PINBALL RECREATION ON THE PLANET!!! BwahahHahaha!

**Draco1962** · November 2, 2013

It was not my intention to come across that this wasn't in need of attention as it probably is and Tom had noted as much in the original thread that it is "on his radar" for modification at a later time. I'm sure that Tom will probably look into addressing the limits of the Game List Manager in the future. When programming, one has to triage bug fixes based upon severity vs. enhancements to the existing program vs feature additions. Based upon his track record, I am sure that fixes to this program feature will be sooner rather than later.

**randr** · November 2, 2013

I've just hit the limit too Am I reading correctly that if I go back to using hp xml gen and not use game mgr (ever again) I can continue my diabolical march towards EVERY PINBALL RECREATION ON THE PLANET!!! BwahahHahaha!

Yes you can! Lol!

**viriiguy** · November 7, 2013

I've just hit the limit too Am I reading correctly that if I go back to using hp xml gen and not use game mgr (ever again) I can continue my diabolical march towards EVERY PINBALL RECREATION ON THE PLANET!!! BwahahHahaha!

My problem with this.. Is the List editor in PinballX is much of what is so great about it. But the limits on list size...... Not so much.

I am going to play around with list views or something... Not sure yet. Beyond that, I love the program.

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