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This thread can be marked as solved. Here's what i did: Created a new root visual pinball folder called Visual Pinball Pre10 and copied everything over except made a junction link for the VPinMame folder as to avoid extra waisted space on drive. Then replaced the 4 B2sBackglass files with older versions. Now everything works from the command line and assume will work from PX now. My guess is problem had to do with the B2s server files as you mentioned in another post i looked at so think you for that and your help.