System Overlay Logo for Pinball FX3 not displaying since update from 6.02 to 6.74

[SixOfTwelve]

files.zip

I've been away for a while and haven't updated since version 6.02. Now I've downloaded version 6.74 and overwritten the old files (after having made a backup, of course).

The update went smoothly, except for two things I've noticed:

Some Table Audio sounds wouldn't play anymore, which was easily solved by opening the MP3 files in Audacity and exporting them again. Some needed to be saved as WAV in order to work, but no big deal. I guess the original MP3s were not up to standard.

Now for the puzzling part:

My PNG logo for Pinball FX3 in the System Overlay Logos folder is not being displayed any more.

Things I've tried:

- Resizing the PNG. It's not displaying.

- Using another PNG. It's not displaying.

- Replacing the PNG with another file that will display for other playlists, for example the Visual Pinball logo. It's not displaying.

- Suspecting a faulty PNG, I tried it the other way round: replaced my Visual Pinball logo in my Visual Pinball playlist with the Pinball FX3 logo PNG file. Now the Visual Pinball tables are showing the Pinball FX3 logo instead of their usual logo. So at least I know the PNG isn't faulty and will display normally.

 

All my other playlists display their system logos just fine - it's just Pinball FX3 that's the problem. I guess I could build an "Other System" playlist for Pinball FX3 and see if that solves it, but I thought I'd bring it to your attention in case it's an error that slipped in sometime during 6.02 and 6.74.

Thank you!

The INI file wouldn't upload (Server Error -200), so I put the log, the INI and the two PNG files (Pinball FX3 and Visual Pinball) into a ZIP file.

 

[scutters]

On 7/1/2025 at 9:15 AM, SixOfTwelve said:

All my other playlists display their system logos just fine - it's just Pinball FX3 that's the problem. I guess I could build an "Other System" playlist for Pinball FX3 and see if that solves it, but I thought I'd bring it to your attention in case it's an error that slipped in sometime during 6.02 and 6.74

I don't normally use the wheel overlays, but yep when i enable them they seem hit and miss between systems for me too.

Will need @Tom Speirs to check

[Tom Speirs]

i see this. i will have a look soon.

[Mike_da_Spike]

Added to the bug list

 

[SixOfTwelve]

Just wanted to chime in and say that the error persists in V6.88 😉

[Draco1962]

1 hour ago, SixOfTwelve said:

Just wanted to chime in and say that the error persists in V6.88 😉

Please attach updated PinballX.ini and log.txt files right after the error. Thanks! 😎

[SixOfTwelve]

3 hours ago, Draco1962 said:

Please attach updated PinballX.ini and log.txt files right after the error. Thanks! 😎

D'oh. I should know better at this point, shouldn't I?

 

The site still gives the "-200" error when I try to upload the .ini file, no matter whether it's unblocked or not, uploaded from a network share or a local drive, and even if I rename it to pinballx.txt. There's something in that file the server doesn't seem to like. At any rate, I zipped the files again.

 

I also included two screenshots for illustration, of "Jaws" for Future Pinball and the Pinball FX3 version. You can also see the other system logos (Visual Pinball and Super Nintendo) on the titles above and below the active table. As before, the "Pinball FX3" logo simply does not display.

PinballX.zip

[Draco1962]

Thanks! I encountered a similar error today as well... Grr.

@Tom Speirsany ideas why the forum is throwing "200 Errors" when users are trying to attach .in and .jpg files?

[Tom Speirs]

Windows is blocking ini files these days.

[Draco1962]

35 minutes ago, Tom Speirs said:

Windows is blocking ini files these days.

Is the forum hosted on a Windows server? If so, shouldn't it be possible to override with an exception?

[Tom Speirs]

no its not but windows clients have had an issue downloading ini files so i guess its related. everything gets stricter in an attempt to make things more secure. its quite an effort managing servers these days.

[Draco1962]

Maybe I am dense, but why should I get an error uploading an .ini or .jpg file to the forum/server? I can download them all day from the forum, it is only during the uploads that we are experiencing them. 😕

Below is the response from the forum server and the failure for each of the two attempts:

[Draco1962]

Maybe this is of help - 

Cannot attach files - Classic self-hosted technical help - Invision Community

[Tom Speirs]

its the ini file. i am aware of it. jpg should be no problem. because you are attaching it at the same time?

[Draco1962]

36 minutes ago, Tom Speirs said:

its the ini file. i am aware of it. jpg should be no problem. because you are attaching it at the same time?

Not at the same time. The .jpg file issue was probably a forum file size limitation as it was straight from my phone. I was able work around it by resizing the image to a lower resolution.

[Tom Speirs]

testing

[SixOfTwelve]

The original error (Pinball FX3 logo isn't showing) is still persisting in v6.89, but I found a workaround!

 

@Tom Speirs - this may be of interest for you when troubleshooting. It seems it's not a general render error, or anything to do with the logo PNG file, but it seems to have something to do with the default Pinball FX3 menu settings.

 

On a whim, I decided to add Pinball FX3 as an additional "Other System". I copied over all the values from the default Pinball FX3 menu. Just for funsies I named it "Finball PX3", copied over the FX3 media folder and the FX3 database (renamed of course), and created a "Finball PX3.png" copy of the FX3 logo.

Tadaa! The logo shows up. 

So now I just disabled Pinball FX3 in the Settings menu and use my "Finball PX3" playlist. Problem solved, in a roundabout way. 🙂

[SixOfTwelve]

Update: Nope, I didn't remove the mistake, I just moved it along.

Now that I created an "Other System" for Pinball FX3, suddenly the tables that were added with the standard "Future Pinball" menu are missing their "Future Pinball" logo.

I tried the same thing, creating a "Other System" for Future Pinball, and now "Visual Pinball" is missing the logo.

Interestingly, this only seems to happen for tables that are tied to the standard menu systems, not the "Other System" tables. 

Or maybe it's chronological? I add a new system, and the oldest ones get kicked out of memory?

Or do I have too many "other system"s? Or too many tables? (Currently 714, which seems a lot)

This is getting confusing.

Logs are attached, along with databases, just to be sure.

logs.zip

[SixOfTwelve]

Just dropped in to say that the error continues to persist in v6.91

But I definitely found a pattern. Please bear with me, as it's a bit complicated.

Every time I add a new "Other System", something gets pushed out, i.e. one system's logo suddenly is not displayed any more.

So far, Pinball FX3 has lost its logo, then when I moved that to "Other Systems" and disabled the default Pinball FX3 System entry, Zaccaria dropped out. I created a Zaccaria "Other System" and disabled the default Zaccaria System, then Future Pinball lost its logo. Same procedure with Future Pinball, which caused Pinball FX2 to lose the logo, and once I replaced that, the Visual Pinball logo turned invisible. I may be hazy on the order since I tried a lot of things.

 

Right, I thought, maybe the error has to do with the default Systems. So I added yet another Other System named "Visual Pinballs", copied over the database, the logo and the media file, and renamed them accordingly, and disabled the default Visual Pinball system. Now the "Visual Pinballs" logo displays properly, but a strange thing happened:

The error wandered along the "Other Systems" chain. For every "Other System" created, the first one in the queue will lose its displayed logo.

So in my case: 
I add "Visual Pinballs" instead of "Visual Pinball" as Other System #30, because Visual Pinball has lost its logo.
Now my Other System #1, "MAME", has lost its logo. "Visual Pinballs" displays it.
I disable Other System #1 and create Other System #31, "MAMEReal", and disable System #1.
Now Other System #2, "Game Boy Advance", has lost its logo. "MAMEReal" displays it.

 

However, I managed to find a workaround that seems to hold for now:

I tried not disabling Other System #1. Instead, I just cleared the database so only one game remained, and unchecked "Enabled" for it. That way, the system still reads Other System #1 as valid but doesn't show any games. If it did, the logo would be missing.

 

I can't say what will happen if I add more "Other System"s. But there is definitely something amiss, and it's reproducable.

Logs and databases are attached. Sorry to be so obstinate about it.

 

A question that has been bothering me, just for comparison's sake: Are my 700+ tables spread over 30 systems an abnormal amount that PinballX is having trouble with? What are other people's numbers here?

Logs.zip

[Tom Speirs]

Sorry I have not looked at this yet. I will.

Ive never tested here like that but it should not be an issue. Certainly not for launching and managing games. If you are getting no graphical slowdown there is nothing else that could go wrong.

i think there may be some hard limits on logos that can be adjusted. i will look shortly.

[Tom Speirs]

just testing an ini file upload

GameEx.ini