DMD lost after upgrade

**wmjaklv** · January 31, 2022

Hi!

I have also lost the DMD after an upgrade, now running PinballX 5.37, Visual Pinball 10.7 and VPINMame 3.4, on Windows 11.

PinballX.ini

log.txt

**Draco1962** · February 1, 2022

11 hours ago, wmjaklv said:

Hi!

I have also lost the DMD after an upgrade, now running PinballX 5.37, Visual Pinball 10.7 and VPINMame 3.4, on Windows 11.

Please attach copies of your pinballx.ini and log.txt files for review.

**wmjaklv** · February 1, 2022

Sorry, now done!

**scutters** · February 1, 2022

On 1/31/2022 at 1:18 PM, wmjaklv said:

Hi!

I have also lost the DMD after an upgrade, now running PinballX 5.37, Visual Pinball 10.7 and VPINMame 3.4, on Windows 11.

I think you're reporting a different issue. This thread is for an issue using pinmame in the front end (where the actual rom is used on dmd rather than video or images), you have UsePinMAME=False in the ini file so i assume using videos.

This should probably be raised in it's own thread.

Can you also confirm some info on your settings, it looks like you're trying to use screen 1 as a split screen for DMD, Topper and Apron (instruction) screens?

**Draco1962** · February 2, 2022

Thanks for looking at this @scutters. I have split this into its own thread for further discussion.

**wmjaklv** · February 2, 2022

Thanks for your reply and sorry for mixing up the questions.

Yes, i have divided my 3rd screen into 3 areas and i use topper & DMD during the game but successfully used the lower part, apron for the regular VP DMD, when game is started.
This have worked fine for me the last 18 months an it looked good.

After upgrade to 4k screen and new PC, it worked for a short while, then I upgraded to 5.37 and even installed a paralell Core version for test but I had the same problem.

I can also see that the video I use in the topper stops playing when I start the game, that wasn't the case before my upgrades.

**scutters** · February 2, 2022

Ok.. so Screen 1 is Topper, DMD and Apron in PinballX and then in game is used for Topper and two dmd displays (freezy/external dmd and a vpinmame dmd?)

Not sure i've got that right.. maybe pictures would help my if not.

Which DMD display isn't working, and where (in PinballX or in game, or both?), and is it visible with ALT+TAB ?

**wmjaklv** · February 2, 2022

That is correct about the screens used.

What doesn't work is the original DMD from Visual Pinball 10.7 / Freezy external DMD when PinballX is used, just running VP it works fine.

**scutters** · February 2, 2022

Is the PinballX dmd window still open and appearing on top of the freezy dmd window after starting a game?

It looks like you have (for the Elvis table anyway) selected not to hide the PinballX dmd when launching a game in game manager / pinballx database manager ('Not Hide DMD!' shown in log file).

In \Visual Pinball\vpiname\dmddevice.ini for the Freezy display do you have this line set to true?

; virtual dmd stays on top of all other windows
stayontop = true

The vpiname window should stay appear on top of the apron instruction card display anyway by default (i think), but the instruction card apron display will always be on after launching a game.

Please confirm what you see on the DMD display areas after launching a game from PinballX, and if with ALT+TAB you can bring the DMD windows to the front (or if they are not even open at all).

**wmjaklv** · February 2, 2022

Thx, I will perform tests as suggested.

**wmjaklv** · February 3, 2022

The stayotop is changed as suggested but no change, in my old working setup it was set to false.

I uninstalled PinBallX and re-installed it in a new directory and I still have the same problem.

The Virtual DMD when running PinballX is empty, running VP its correct, see attached pictures.

PinballX.ini log.txt

**scutters** · February 3, 2022

I was hoping the dmd was just hidden behind something else when launched from PinballX, looks like that's not the case then!

Do you have anything set to run as admin or any compatibility modes on the new setup (and were they before the updates)? - i'm guessing the new setup is a brand new windows install, if so those settings will not have carried over abd might be messed up if you've now got VPX as admin or something.

Other stuff to confirm - what version of freezy dmd device dll do you have, and does VPX launch ok with DMD if you manually use the same command as PinballX from a command window (e.g. C:\Visual Pinball\\VPinballX.exe /play -"C:\Visual Pinball\Tables2\Apollo 13 (Sega 1995) w VR Room v2.01.vpx")

**wmjaklv** · February 3, 2022

Nothing set for run as admin

I did a complete full new install and run as admin on the setup.

I have Freezy 1.9.0

With RUN C:\Visual Pinball\VPinballX.exe /play -"C:\Visual Pinball\Tables2\Apollo 13 (Sega 1995) w VR Room v2.01.vpx" it worked correct.

**scutters** · February 3, 2022

Sorry, but i'm about out of ideas..

I run PinballX 5.37 x64 on Win11, with freezy 1.9.0, vpm 3.4, vpx10.7 without issues (and i also display 2 dmd displays, external and vpm).

Can't see anything wrong in your log/ini files either.

One last thing to try would be to run PinballX as admin just to see if that has any effect.

Hope someone else chips in with some other ideas if not..

**wmjaklv** · February 3, 2022

After running PinballX as admin, it didnt work, windows suggested to run it as Windows 8 compatibible

That worked! ????

Thanks for your help, I will go on with testing but if someone can give me some more input it would be great.

**Mike_da_Spike** · February 3, 2022

1 hour ago, wmjaklv said:

After running PinballX as admin, it didnt work, windows suggested to run it as Windows 8 compatibible

That worked! ????

Thanks for your help, I will go on with testing but if someone can give me some more input it would be great.

Pinballx should not run in any compatability mode or run as admin. All fine in normall mode and as user

**wmjaklv** · February 3, 2022

It was just a test and it worked while testing.

I just dicovered that PinballX change the B2S ScreenRes, LED Display X offset to 16000.
I cant find anything set to 16000.

The Topper video freeze when starting a VPX table, I seems to have serious problems.

**Mike_da_Spike** · February 3, 2022

1 hour ago, wmjaklv said:

I just dicovered that PinballX change the B2S ScreenRes, LED Display X offset to 16000.

Do you have AutoPositionB2S set to true within your pinballx.ini ? Thats the only option I can explain that changes yhe b2s screenres file

**scutters** · February 3, 2022

6 hours ago, wmjaklv said:

After running PinballX as admin, it didnt work, windows suggested to run it as Windows 8 compatibible

That worked! ????

I don't know what to make of that :unsure: . Something very strange going on somewhere.

5 hours ago, wmjaklv said:

I just dicovered that PinballX change the B2S ScreenRes, LED Display X offset to 16000.

Mikes right, on your 2nd PinballX install ini file it shows you have auto position direct b2s set to True, which is why PinballX updated screenres.txt. But i don't know where it could get an x offset of 16000 either. How are your screens set up in windows?

5 hours ago, wmjaklv said:

The Topper video freeze when starting a VPX table

Did you reinstall lav codecs when you reinstalled?

5 hours ago, wmjaklv said:

I seems to have serious problems.

It looks like it. You're not running any other software as well that could throw things off are you (i'm thinking of stuff like RTSS frame limiter or afterburner), and you have Defender turned off (or exclusions set)?

**wmjaklv** · February 4, 2022

The B2S DMD is working now i forgott that setting. Thanks!

This is how it looks in Windows, if it was this info you wanted, sorry for the Swedish.

I reinstalled the LAV Codecs again now to be sure but it still freeze when I start the table.

It is a CAB so I only run Visual Pinball and PinballX.

**scutters** · February 4, 2022

Sorry to say, but i have no idea why the DMD only works in Win11 under compatibility mode for you. Screens look ok too.

I'm afraid i'm out of suggestions

**Draco1962** · February 5, 2022

4 hours ago, scutters said:

Sorry to say, but i have no idea why the DMD only works in Win11 under compatibility mode for you. Screens look ok too.

I'm afraid i'm out of suggestions

I think it is safe to say it is Win11. It is still quite new and doesn't play well with everything.

**Mike_da_Spike** · February 5, 2022

1 hour ago, Draco1962 said:

I think it is safe to say it is Win11. It is still quite new and doesn't play well with everything.

I don't use a topper at all, but i known that @scuttersruns w11 with a lot of screens as well (but no topper).

Is it for all your tables this behaviour ? What kind of videos ? You able to generate a video of the issue ?

Will the video plays again, when you return from the emulator to the front end ?

**MulletLife** · February 9, 2022

2 things, if you installed the NEWEST freezy which just came out, it will muck around with your dmddevice.ini and MANY users lost their DMD.

Secondly, I 'think' VPX won't show the DMD in alt-tab if the x/y is off screen. This may not be it as it works in VPX standalone but not with PBX.

**wmjaklv** · February 15, 2022

On 2/5/2022 at 4:45 AM, Mike_da_Spike said:

Is it for all your tables this behaviour ? What kind of videos ? You able to generate a video of the issue ?

It is for all tables using ROM DMD not for B2S DMD where everything is OK now including the Video.

Will the video plays again, when you return from the emulator to the front end ?

Yes the video starts when I quit the emulator back to PBX.
All my tables work perfectly with everything when i run it from VPX.

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