Future Pinball tables doesn't work in PinballX

**myarcadeconsole** · October 26, 2023

Hi guys,

I have always used Visual Pinball with PinballX.
Now I have installed Future Pinball / BAM as indicated by TerryRed in his guide in this forum ([GUIDE] How Future Pinball "should" be setup for BAM, DOFLinx & Pinball X!).
From FPLoader.exe launched manually all the tables work, but when I run them from PinballX I see the black screen (playfield and backglass) and Future Pinball.exe is completely blocked (I have to force it to close).
I slavishly followed TerryRed's guide to configure PinballX but nothing...
How come? What am I missing?

Thank you

**scutters** · October 26, 2023

Please attach your PinballX Log\Log.txt & Config\PinballX.ini files (make sure the log is after launching a FP table).

Might be a compatibility setting somewhere (PinballX or FP set to run as admin or legacy windows mode) or the FP launch parameters. We need to see those files to check the launch parameters or for errors first.

**Mike_da_Spike** · October 26, 2023

Please post your pinballx.ini and your log.txt after you reproduced the issue

Edit: damned you beat me 😄 @scutters

**scutters** · October 26, 2023

Just now, Mike_da_Spike said:

Please post your pinballx.ini and your log.txt after you reproduced the issue

Too slow Mike!

**Fiery Phoenix** · October 26, 2023

In PinballX settings for Future Pinball - have you added the line below in parameters?

/open "[TABLEPATH]\[TABLEFILE]" /play /exit /arcaderender /STAYINRAM

and set the FPRAM path?

**myarcadeconsole** · October 27, 2023

Yes, both.

17 hours ago, Fiery Phoenix said:

In PinballX settings for Future Pinball - have you added the line below in parameters?

/open "[TABLEPATH]\[TABLEFILE]" /play /exit /arcaderender /STAYINRAM

and set the FPRAM path?

**myarcadeconsole** · October 27, 2023

22 hours ago, scutters said:

Please attach your PinballX Log\Log.txt & Config\PinballX.ini files (make sure the log is after launching a FP table).

Might be a compatibility setting somewhere (PinballX or FP set to run as admin or legacy windows mode) or the FP launch parameters. We need to see those files to check the launch parameters or for errors first.

Here attached after running an FTP table.

Thank you all

PinballX.ini log.txt

**Mike_da_Spike** · October 27, 2023

I see the following in your log when launching :

12:34:51.58  25/10/2023:  Main display running full screen windowed.
12:34:51.60  25/10/2023:  HRESULT: [0x8876086A], Module: [Unknown], ApiCode: [Unknown/Unknown], Message: Unknown
12:34:51.64  25/10/2023:  Error. Exiting

0x8876086A is a D3D error. Could be anything related to your GPU or directX installation.

IF you run the following command from a command line (not admin, just user), is it working ?

C:\Future Pinball\BAM\FPLoader.exe /open "C:\Future Pinball\Tables\Aladdin's Castle ULTIMATE 1.01.fpt" /play /exit /arcaderender /STAYINRAM

**myarcadeconsole** · October 27, 2023

49 minutes ago, Mike_da_Spike said:
I see the following in your log when launching :
12:34:51.58  25/10/2023:  Main display running full screen windowed.
12:34:51.60  25/10/2023:  HRESULT: [0x8876086A], Module: [Unknown], ApiCode: [Unknown/Unknown], Message: Unknown
12:34:51.64  25/10/2023:  Error. Exiting
0x8876086A is a D3D error. Could be anything related to your GPU or directX installation.

IF you run the following command from a command line (not admin, just user), is it working ?
C:\Future Pinball\BAM\FPLoader.exe /open "C:\Future Pinball\Tables\Aladdin's Castle ULTIMATE 1.01.fpt" /play /exit /arcaderender /STAYINRAM

Nothing happens... a black flash and no application starts...

**Mike_da_Spike** · October 27, 2023

so, that command line doesn't work. That needs to be fixed.
Odd that it is working when you just load fploader.exe

**scutters** · October 27, 2023

18 minutes ago, myarcadeconsole said:

Nothing happens... a black flash and no application starts...

Have a look at Terry Reds guides - https://mega.nz/folder/WVgyXZZa#1KAqkmcXA2eJS7aHZijrRQ and [GUIDE] How Future Pinball "should" be setup for BAM, DOFLinx & Pinball X! - FAQs, Guides, & Other Useful Information - Spesoft Forums (gameex.com)

You need to go through and check the FP install step by step. From the 'mega' guide amongst other things;

•	FPLoader.exe may need to be Run as Administrator the first time you run FP (to create settings files for BAM, etc). Afterward make sure you change this back so FPLoader.exe is NOT Run as Administrator!
•	the FuturePinball.exe must NEVER be set to Run as Administrator!
•	If you are having crashing problems, try to set FPLoader.exe in BAM folder to Windows 8 Compatibility mode and see if it helps (if it doesn’t then set this back)

**myarcadeconsole** · October 27, 2023

Sorry, now it doesn't work also from Desktop, something has changed because before I had tried all the installed tables...

I try to re-install FP+BAM

**myarcadeconsole** · October 27, 2023

Very strange things happens...

Uninstalled, reinstalled like TerryRed Guide but when I unzip BAM update (BAM_v1.5-365.zip, [17 jun 2023]) Windows Defender show me a Trojan inside bam.dll (attached you find screenshot) and don't allow me to complete copy.

**Draco1962** · October 27, 2023

Very likely this is a false positive and confirmed if you Google Search using tags "bam.dll false positive" .

You will need to disable your Windows Defender while doing the installation again.

Additionally, you will probably need to set certain folders, such as PinballX, as exceptions within Defender.

**Mike_da_Spike** · October 27, 2023

I install all pinball software (including steam) on 😄 \pinball and exclude this folder from my antivirus software

**myarcadeconsole** · October 27, 2023

Excluded and re-installed but the result is always the same: launching FPLoader.exe appears the splash windows with Future Pinball logo and immediately all disappears...

Future Pinball or BAM doesn't have a log file?

**myarcadeconsole** · October 27, 2023

Just now, myarcadeconsole said:

Excluded and re-installed but the result is always the same: launching FPLoader.exe appears the splash windows with Future Pinball logo and immediately all disappears...

Future Pinball or BAM doesn't have a log file?

I used also TerryRed "Future Pinball and BAM essentials AIO - 1.3" and reinstalled VC Runtimes...

**Mike_da_Spike** · October 27, 2023

I'm not using FP at all, so not able to help.

Try to reinstall your directx. Thats the exit code error that pinballx get returned from the launch.

Sometimes a reinstall of Microsoft vc++ redist cwill also help

EDIT : I just setup FP and BAM as well, and all starts smooth (but get some errors with FP, but thats not caused by PinballX).

**myarcadeconsole** · October 28, 2023

19 hours ago, Mike_da_Spike said:

I'm not using FP at all, so not able to help.

Try to reinstall your directx. Thats the exit code error that pinballx get returned from the launch.

Sometimes a reinstall of Microsoft vc++ redist cwill also help

EDIT : I just setup FP and BAM as well, and all starts smooth (but get some errors with FP, but thats not caused by PinballX).

Thank you Mike! Reinstalled DirectX and all is working fine, command line, FPLoader and PinballX.

I noticed two little problems:

1) Some tables loading VERY SLOW (example Aliens Legacy)

2) PinballX Game Manager doesn't find any media packs for many FTP tables... It's normal? I have to find'em manually?

Thank you very much

**Mike_da_Spike** · October 28, 2023

Glad it is working now for you !

1) not sure as I'm not using FP. I tried today with sonic pinball game, and rendering and loading is very slow. VP and fx3 is much faster, but launching a table for pinball FX is really slow as well

2) i dont know either. Not at a pc to check ftp server, but think most of the recently released tables doesn't have media on ftp.

For TPA, FX3, FX and VP i try to keep the ftp up to date. With DBM you can maybe check easier whats on the ftp server.... or add a Mega link that contains media for easier import

**Draco1962** · October 28, 2023

1 hour ago, myarcadeconsole said:

Thank you Mike! Reinstalled DirectX and all is working fine, command line, FPLoader and PinballX.

I noticed two little problems:

1) Some tables loading VERY SLOW (example Aliens Legacy)

2) PinballX Game Manager doesn't find any media packs for many FTP tables... It's normal? I have to find'em manually?

Thank you very much

1.) I "googled" Aliens Legacy Running Slow and it took me here - https://vpuniverse.com/files/file/15148-aliens-legacy-game-over-man-pinevent-lite-fizx-30/

Looks like this takes a fast GPU and has some other requirements. Look for the "Game not running smooth? Try the following:" section.

2.) You are more likely to find VP table media than FP media for newer tables as FP suffered some issues with table physics on the older tables which steered many towards VP for a few years until it was overhauled. The newer the table, the less likely to have lots of new media.

To address #2, you may be able to create your own media - the fiollowing reference to a Future Pinball version of PBX Recorder dates to 2018 so no guarantees - https://www.vpforums.org/index.php?showtopic=33552

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