I wasn't happy with the old Ivy either, it was too 'standard' Thanks for the kudos Thanks, the DS is one of my new favorite baks. Yeah, that's basically what I'm focusing on, more of the really old, obscure ones. Basically, I'm filling up Valhalla to encompass just about every system, past, present, and NEAR future (PS2, DS, etc). So if you have a favorite system, let me know, and I can work on it. Any ideas for Amstrad CPC and Vectrex?? Give me an idea or picture and I can try to roll with it.