Yeah, I can kinda see what you mean by keeping pics together. I just strongly disagree. :] Instead I would suggest that people link to their controlpanel pics here, from their original "show your cab" post. That way we "keep it clean", keep it relevant, _and_ make it userfriendly for new users. How about that? :] In fact, I'll go do that right now. (btw in the top right corner of the post, theres a direct link that jumps directly to your pots "Post #15") And as I said, no offense taken. The Mag-Stik Plus from Ultimarc is modded to be switchable from the top of the cpanel (lift and twist), where the T-Stik can only be switched by flipping a little white switch on the joystick base inside the controlpanel. Not very handy. :] I currently have a Mag-Stik Plus for player one and T-Stiks for player 2, 3 and 4. They look and feel exactly the same. And most multiplayer games needing a 4-way setting are so old, that you can't play two simultaniously.