timblo Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I have since an update to FrontEnd PINBALL X 5.40 the problem that I no longer come back to the interface of PINBALL X after the start of a table (the button has suddenly no longer function) (must test in the afternoon times whether my FrontEnd AdminRechte has....before it ran without problem (under Pinscape the function of the button is available...only when running a table under PINBALL X it does not go suddenly what I also noticed is that I see the Windows/Desktop interface on my playfield for a short time when starting a table during loading...I didn't have that with earlier versions last 5.37...only since 5.40 does Pinball X need administrator rights ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_da_Spike Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 hours ago, timblo said: does Pinball X need administrator rights ? By default, no. But when you run an emulator with highest (admin) privileges, you properly need pbx also start. For myself, I dont have pbx running as admin and all is working like a charm Post your log file and your settings file to check if you missed something When you revert to 5.37. Is all working for you fine again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timblo Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 Hello---after I assigned Pinball X admin rights it works again. But what I noticed negatively is that now when I start a table after the "LOADING" screen briefly see the Windows desktop on my playfield. It affects not all but some tables...see my video about it see it 21 secends Position [SETTINGS].log log.txt PinballX.ini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutters Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Try adding 'Extra wait for show desktop' in Settings under Visual Pinball, try a value of 30 to start with and see if that helps if it does you can then reduce extra wait value to find your best value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timblo Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 hello where can I find this setting in visual Pinball ? I search but can not find it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutters Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 26 minutes ago, timblo said: hello where can I find this setting in visual Pinball ? I search but can not find it It's in the settings for PinballX, under the visual pinball system 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timblo Posted March 12, 2022 Author Share Posted March 12, 2022 Hello - I tried your tip....but without success. I even set it to 30 seconds. Unfortunately I still have this short Windows overlay...hmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutters Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Strange.. Try adding the -minimized flag to you VP launch parameters, e.g. -minimized /play -"[TABLEPATH]\[TABLEFILE]" And make sure VP is set to use full screen exclusive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timblo Posted March 12, 2022 Author Share Posted March 12, 2022 I once did it like this...if I don't do anything wrong there unfortunately still no success..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_da_Spike Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Open visual pinball in editor mode and go to the screen settings. Check full screen exclusive mode as well. Not at the cab for a screenshot, but try that one as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutters Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 13 hours ago, Mike_da_Spike said: Open visual pinball in editor mod go to settings and check full screen exclusive mode as well. Not at the cab for a screenshot, but try that one as well Yes, sorry @timblo i was unclear, my fault. I meant the launch parameters in PinballX settings, and as Mike says the full screen exclusive option within Visual Pinball itself (VpinballX.exe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timblo Posted March 14, 2022 Author Share Posted March 14, 2022 the full screen exclusive option within Visual Pinball switched on. unfortunately still the same problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutters Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Not sure why the 'extra wait for show desktop' desktop setting isn't working for you, with those settings everything should work. Maybe @Tom Speirs has an idea. As a workaround you could try the XP/Vista version of PinballX https://forums.gameex.com/forums/files/file/2534-pinballx-windows-xpvista/, don't be put off by the name - it just uses .net framework so is effectively the same as the regular PinballX version up to V5.39 and works fine on win10/11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timblo Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 I suspect that the error has crept in with me by the fact that I have installed before the installation of 5.40 the XP version. https://forums.gameex.com/forums/files/file/2534-pinballx-windows-xpvista/ Then I must have got the Windows 10 version. https://forums.gameex.com/forums/files/file/527-pinballx/ since this accidental change I have the described problem... would try today to uninstall PINBALL X and reinstall it (what do I need to backup so I don't lose my settings (MediaFiles folder I backup completely to an external USB SSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_da_Spike Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I don't think that PinballX will delete any media. Upgrade and de-grade versions of PinballX can be done without removing the old version as well. (see PinballX documentation) If you want to be 100% sure, make a copy of your pinballX folder . This will include all your media /databases and config files (I assume you didn't move any directory with a junction point to another folder/drive) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timblo Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 where can I actually see if I have installed the xp or Win10 from PINBALL X ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_da_Spike Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Goid question. I know database manager can see which version(s) you installed. Go to settings and there is a select box which shows the version you imstalled. Changing that will restart the program and will show rhe pinballx full path in de action log pane If you only got 1 edition of pbx, it will give you the type in settings and in action log Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timblo Posted April 1, 2022 Author Share Posted April 1, 2022 have now tried the XP and also the Windows 10 version of PINBALL X...unfortunately no success...at some tables I see during the LOADING screen jurz the Windows desktop on the playfield...what is the reason for that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutters Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Looking at the original log file it looks like PinballX thinks your table has loaded after 15secs at which point it will show the VPX player window; 18:00:23.26 11.03.2022: D:\Visual Pinball\VPinballX.exe /play -"D:\Visual Pinball\Tables\Tron Legacy (Stern 2011) VPW Mod v1.0.vpx" 18:00:23.29 11.03.2022: D:\PinballX\vpauto.exe 18:00:27.17 11.03.2022: VPX Full screen exclusive mode detected 18:00:37.66 11.03.2022: PinMame Not detected. Potentially loading DMD image/video 18:00:37.66 11.03.2022: Checking pixels. 18:00:37.70 11.03.2022: Detected all black pixels 18:00:38.41 11.03.2022: Found PinMAME ROM: trn_174h 18:00:38.49 11.03.2022: Visual Pinball Player window foreground: 15 When compared to the video approx 15secs after the table launch you see the VPX editor still loading the table. I do not know why PinballX shows VPX too early in your case, at this point all i can suggest is turning off the Auto Show Media option in PinballX settings in case that is a factor somehow (this option is the middle section of the log above) Set this to No; edit - if that doesn't fo it then i think the only thing left is to update drivers and VPX (if not on latest) , make sure you don't have either pinballx or vpx set to run under any windows compatibility modes and maybe try enabling the exclusive full screen hack setting for visual pinball in pinballx settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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