sorry to be clear, I have 4 sets of arcade controls,, ie 4 hoysticks and pushbuttons. (all through ipac4 interface) Basically the games I'm playing only support one input type per player...eg one player kb, and an extra pad fo each... I tried ppjoy and managed to get one virtual gamepad working, but as there are 3 in total (first one is keyboard so its ok) it's a bit of a pain in the...... hope that makes more sense.. ie, player one is keyboard, keys already mapped player two is virtual gamepad mapped from additional keyboard keys player three is virtual gamepad mapped from additional keyboard keys player four is virtual gamepad mapped from additional keyboard keys