Well put me on the list Tom, bad windows install or bad framework. My framework is the 1.1 version. My version of Windows is XP however it is XP Lite, a custom version I made with some tools so it would run faster without needless bloat. However it might be the culprit I dunno yet. Tomorrow I will try a normal install of XP, but I will then start removing component by component and service by service as far as the ones I deem unnecassary for me. During this process I will monitor what happens to GameEx and narrow down which service(s)/component(s) effect its performance and what has given me this error today Note I have copied and pasted someone elses log of awhile back but mine says the exact samething, except with the newer version 13:58:40.1 04/11/2005: GameEx: Version 5.15: Starting Log 13:58:40.2 04/11/2005: Operating System Platform: Win32NT 13:58:40.2 04/11/2005: Operating System Name: Windows XP 13:58:40.2 04/11/2005: Operating System Version: 5.1.2600 13:58:40.2 04/11/2005: ERROR: An error occured while checking for previous instance of GameEx 13:58:40.2 04/11/2005: This can be caused by a bad windows or .net framework install. 13:58:40.2 04/11/2005: GameEx will likely function incorrectly as it cannot check for running processes 13:58:40.2 04/11/2005: GameEx will now exit with errors 13:58:40.2 04/11/2005: Error definido por la aplicación o por el objeto. 13:58:40.2 04/11/2005: ERRORS DETECTED: EXITING And that spanish tid bit is in english I believe Well, I spend 5 days out of the week cleaning spyware and viruses off computers and I a lot of time debugging new things that come out off and on. So I will try my best to find the cause GameEx error. I am surprised though Tom, that you could not make this program generate a more specific error as to what file, dll or service/component it is having an issue with beyond framework. There's a weak link in there somewhere. And for most people I doubt reinstalling is the solution they want. I'm a computer tech and not even I like reinstalling windows, mainly because if it is not exactly how the customer had it, programs and settings password wise they throw a fit..... Stuff I know atm, Last 4 File entries is most important, and most if not all registry entires, appears like most registry entries are related to .NET, it might be interesting to, compare users registry files who have this issue with another to insure .NET consistancy in the registry? Maybe even creat a batch file to input all .NET framework entries in after in install to insure they're in the registry? dunno what KSENUM is atm... just know it doesn't show up repeatedly in other programs. Other strange things appear to be Spooler and RemoteAccess? Process: GameEx.exe Pid: 2108 Type Name Desktop \Default Directory \Windows Directory \BaseNamedObjects Directory \KnownDlls Event \BaseNamedObjects\userenv: User Profile setup event Event \BaseNamedObjects\crypt32LogoffEvent Event \BaseNamedObjects\mixercallback Event \BaseNamedObjects\hardwaremixercallback Event \BaseNamedObjects\{B1DD6372-6FA8-41F9-86C0-53D8FE238D09} Event \BaseNamedObjects\CorDBIPCSetupSyncEvent_2108 Event \BaseNamedObjects\CorDBDebuggerAttachedEvent_2108 Event \KernelObjects\LowMemoryCondition File C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.GdiPlus_6595b64144ccf1df_1.0.2600.2180_x-ww_522f9f82 File C:\Documents and Settings\glitch\Local Settings\Temp\Perflib_Perfdata_83c.dat File \Device\WMIDataDevice File C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9 File C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9 File \Device\KSENUM#00000001\{9B365890-165F-11D0-A195-0020AFD156E4} File \Device\KSENUM#00000002\{9B365890-165F-11D0-A195-0020AFD156E4} File \Device\KSENUM#00000002\{9B365890-165F-11D0-A195-0020AFD156E4}\{146F1A80-4791-11D0-A5D6-28DB04C10000}\??????? File \Device\KSENUM#00000002\{9B365890-165F-11D0-A195-0020AFD156E4}\{146F1A80-4791-11D0-A5D6-28DB04C10000}\??????? File \Device\KSENUM#00000002\{9B365890-165F-11D0-A195-0020AFD156E4}\{146F1A80-4791-11D0-A5D6-28DB04C10000}\??????? File \Device\KSENUM#00000002\{9B365890-165F-11D0-A195-0020AFD156E4}\{146F1A80-4791-11D0-A5D6-28DB04C10000}\??????? File \Device\KSENUM#00000002\{9B365890-165F-11D0-A195-0020AFD156E4}\{146F1A80-4791-11D0-A5D6-28DB04C10000}\??????? File C:\Program Files\GameEx File \Device\KsecDD File C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.1.4322\CONFIG\security.config.cch File C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.1.4322\CONFIG\enterprisesec.config.cch File C:\Documents and Settings\glitch\Local Settings\Application Data\ApplicationHistory\GameEx.exe.7d561a7a.ini.inuse File C:\Documents and Settings\glitch\Application Data\Microsoft\CLR Security Config\v1.1.4322\security.config.cch Key HKLM Key HKCU\Software\Classes Key HKCU\Software\Classes Key HKCR Key HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32 Key HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32 Key HKCU\Software\Classes Key HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\COM3 Key HKU Key HKCR Key HKU Key HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\COM3 Key HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\COM3 Key HKCR\CLSID Key HKCR Key HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\COM3 Key HKCU Key HKU Key HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\COM3 Key HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\COM3 Key HKCR\CLSID Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\Nls\Locale Key HKCU\Software\Classes Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\Nls\Locale\Alternate Sorts Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\Nls\Language Groups Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\Nls\CodePage Key HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Perflib Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\.NET CLR Data\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\.NET CLR Networking\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\.NETFramework\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\ASP\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\ASP.NET\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\ASP.NET_1.1.4322\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\ContentFilter\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\ContentIndex\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\InetInfo\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\ISAPISearch\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\MSDTC\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\MSFtpsvc\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\NTFSDRV\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\PerfDisk\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\PerfNet\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\PerfOS\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\PerfProc\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\RemoteAccess\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\RSVP\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\SMTPSVC\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\Spooler\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\TapiSrv\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\Tcpip\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\TermService\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\W3SVC\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\WmiApRpl\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\.NETFramework\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\ASP\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\ASP.NET\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\ASP.NET_1.1.4322\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\ContentFilter\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\ContentIndex\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\InetInfo\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\ISAPISearch\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\MSDTC\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\MSFtpsvc\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\NTFSDRV\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\PerfDisk\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\PerfNet\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\PerfOS\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\PerfProc\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\RemoteAccess\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\RSVP\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\SMTPSVC\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\Spooler\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\TapiSrv\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\Tcpip\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\TermService\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\W3SVC\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\WmiApRpl\Performance Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\ASP.NET_1.1.4322\Names Key HKCU\Software\Classes Key HKCU\Software\Classes Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Hardware Profiles\0001\System\CurrentControlSet\Enum\NVAX\NFORCE_VAD\4&2DDE83F2&0&0000 Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Hardware Profiles\0001\System\CurrentControlSet\Enum\NVAX\NFORCE_VAD\4&2DDE83F2&0&0000\DirectSound Key HKCU\Software\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\Health\{B1DD6372-6FA8-41F9-86C0-53D8FE238D09} Key HKLM\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Hardware Profiles\0001\System\CurrentControlSet\Enum\NVAX\NFORCE_VAD\4&2DDE83F2&0&0000\DirectSound KeyedEvent \KernelObjects\CritSecOutOfMemoryEvent Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\__fusion_cache_mutex_c:_documents and settings_glitch_local settings_application data Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DDrawWindowListMutex Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DDrawDriverObjectListMutex Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\__DDrawExclMode__ Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\__DDrawCheckExclMode__ Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\ShimCacheMutex Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\.NET CLR Data_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\.NET CLR Networking_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\.NETFramework_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\ASP_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\ASP.NET_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\ASP.NET_1.1.4322_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\ContentFilter_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\ContentIndex_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\InetInfo_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\ISAPISearch_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\MSDTC_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\MSFtpsvc_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\NTFSDRV_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\PerfDisk_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\PerfNet_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\PerfOS_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\PerfProc_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\RemoteAccess_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\RSVP_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\SMTPSVC_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\Spooler_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\TapiSrv_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\Tcpip_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\TermService_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\W3SVC_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\WmiApRpl_Perf_Library_Lock_PID_83c Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\MidiMapper_modLongMessage_RefCnt Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\MidiMapper_Configure Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DirectSound Administrator shared thread array (lock) Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DirectSound Administrator capture focus array (lock) Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DirectInput.{89521361-AA8A-11CF-BFC7-444553540000} Mutant \BaseNamedObjects\DirectInput.{5944E682-C92E-11CF-BFC7-444553540000} Port \RPC Control\OLE830CACD4BD4B4DA59E880D75BCF5 Section \BaseNamedObjects\_nlsplus_sorttbls_1_0_3627_11_nlp Section \BaseNamedObjects\_nlsplus_sortkey_1_0_3627_11_nlp Section \BaseNamedObjects\_nlsplus_charinfo_1_0_3627_11_nlp Section \BaseNamedObjects\_nlsplus_l_intl_1_0_3627_11_nlp Section \BaseNamedObjects\_nlsplus_l_except_1_0_3627_11_nlp Section \BaseNamedObjects\__R_000000000018_SMem__ Section \BaseNamedObjects\Perflib_Perfdata_83c Section \BaseNamedObjects\ShimSharedMemory Section \BaseNamedObjects\Cor_Private_IPCBlock_2108 Section \BaseNamedObjects\SharedPerfIPCBlock Section \BaseNamedObjects\mmGlobalPnpInfo Section \BaseNamedObjects\WDMAUD_Callbacks Section \BaseNamedObjects\DirectSound Administrator shared thread array Section \BaseNamedObjects\DirectSound Administrator capture focus array Section \BaseNamedObjects\DirectInput.{5944E681-C92E-11CF-BFC7-444553540000} Section \BaseNamedObjects\_nlsplus_culture_1_0_3627_11_nlp Semaphore \BaseNamedObjects\shell.{A48F1A32-A340-11D1-BC6B-00A0C90312E1} Semaphore \BaseNamedObjects\shell.{210A4BA0-3AEA-1069-A2D9-08002B30309D} Thread GameEx.exe(2108): 3092 Thread GameEx.exe(2108): 3520 Thread GameEx.exe(2108): 3556 Thread GameEx.exe(2108): 2552 Thread GameEx.exe(2108): 692 Thread GameEx.exe(2108): 3092 Thread GameEx.exe(2108): 2516 Thread GameEx.exe(2108): 1836 Thread GameEx.exe(2108): 3020 Thread GameEx.exe(2108): 3168 Thread GameEx.exe(2108): 2260 Thread GameEx.exe(2108): 2760 Thread GameEx.exe(2108): 3148 Thread GameEx.exe(2108): 2084 Thread GameEx.exe(2108): 3092 Thread GameEx.exe(2108): 2760 WindowStation \Windows\WindowStations\WinSta0 WindowStation \Windows\WindowStations\WinSta0