thanks I downloaded and then ran, it installed with no errors during install, now when clicking on game it comes up with this error 21:07:17.4 02/04/2008: GameEx: Version 9.08: Starting Log 21:07:17.6 02/04/2008: Operating System Platform: Win32Windows 21:07:17.6 02/04/2008: Operating System Name: Windows ME 21:07:17.6 02/04/2008: Operating System Version: 4.90.73010104 21:07:18.0 02/04/2008: Checking for versions of .net Framework installed 21:07:18.0 02/04/2008: .net Framework 1.1 Installed 21:07:18.0 02/04/2008: .net Framework 2.0 Installed 21:07:18.1 02/04/2008: AMD Athlon Processor, 191MB 21:07:18.4 02/04/2008: Running Randomize() 21:07:18.4 02/04/2008: Loading PlugIns 21:07:18.5 02/04/2008: Checking for applications to Launch On Startup 21:07:18.5 02/04/2008: Running Misc startup tasks 21:07:18.5 02/04/2008: Setting Menu types 21:07:18.6 02/04/2008: Opening Configuration File 21:07:18.6 02/04/2008: Getting Configuration Values 21:07:18.6 02/04/2008: Launching HideOS.exe 21:07:18.6 02/04/2008: Initialising Video/MNG DLL's 21:07:18.8 02/04/2008: Hiding Taskbar 21:07:18.8 02/04/2008: Is Media Center running? 21:07:19.0 02/04/2008: Checking/Creating LCD Registry values 21:07:19.0 02/04/2008: Check Media Center Exit/Start Mode 21:07:19.0 02/04/2008: Media Center Mode 0 21:07:19.1 02/04/2008: Snap Delay set to: 0 21:07:19.1 02/04/2008: Get other settings 21:07:19.1 02/04/2008: Reading MAME hall of fame 21:07:19.7 02/04/2008: Start work for Form 21:07:19.7 02/04/2008: Getting Original Screen Size 21:07:19.7 02/04/2008: Opening Database Connection 21:07:24.4 02/04/2008: Performing database upgrade 21:07:24.4 02/04/2008: Initializing Component 21:07:25.2 02/04/2008: Retrieving resolution setting 21:07:25.2 02/04/2008: Invalid resolution setting specified 21:07:25.2 02/04/2008: If set to change resoultion GameEx will use 800x600 21:07:25.3 02/04/2008: Initialising Windows Media Player Component 21:07:26.0 02/04/2008: MAME Path is: 21:07:26.1 02/04/2008: Cannot Find MAME Path: MAME Disabled 21:07:26.1 02/04/2008: Loading Controls.ini map file 21:07:26.2 02/04/2008: Loading Custom Emulators 21:07:26.3 02/04/2008: Using 2D Animations 21:07:26.3 02/04/2008: Using General Font: 21:07:26.3 02/04/2008: Using Title Font: 21:07:26.3 02/04/2008: Initialising DirectDraw 21:07:26.6 02/04/2008: --**-- 21:07:26.6 02/04/2008: Error: Conversion from string "" to type 'Double' is not valid. 21:07:26.9 02/04/2008: at Microsoft.VisualBasic.CompilerServices.Conversions.ToDouble(String Value, NumberFormatInfo NumberFormat) 21:07:26.9 02/04/2008: at Microsoft.VisualBasic.Conversion.Int(Object Number) 21:07:26.9 02/04/2008: at l.a(Boolean A_0, Boolean A_1, Boolean A_2, Boolean A_3, Boolean A_4, Int32 A_5) 21:07:26.9 02/04/2008: at l.a(Boolean A_0, String A_1, Boolean A_2) 21:07:26.9 02/04/2008: at l..ctor() 21:07:26.9 02/04/2008: Closing database connection 21:07:27.1 02/04/2008: GameEx is exiting with errors 21:07:33.3 02/04/2008: ERRORS DETECTED: EXITING i reinstalled directx 9.0c from game ex dowload page with same error coming back. is theere any hope. LOL thanks for all the help so far. everyone here is so awesome.