no apologise needed tom realy not no hard feelings at all still lots of love for pbx ;-) only thing that i like to have is this sorted before all the people are in my home for christmas , i tested more myself in the last days still thinking that pbx is the problem and not futuredmd because when i put futuredmd to start with pbx ,pbx starts and runs good with futuredmd activated , its just when it returns to the wheel again when futuredmd starts again pbx always minimize to taskbar , when i leave futuredmd off than it goes to the wheel normaly(like reported in above post) when than in wheel and i activated futuredmd manualy then pbx always minimize to taskbar , i also tryed to leave startdmd.exe and the script alone and i put in a run after command in pluginmanager to start just futuredmd.exe then also pbx minimize to the wheel .. also when i keep futuredmd running on my second screen and start a table and not kill futuredmd and than exit to wheel also than pbx minimize. other than that problem pbx runs great ..