thank you open6l, that was exactly the issues i had. you are the man. another question i had was about the football tables. how people launch the separate team from pinballx. i guest the script need modification somehow.not too sure , didnt see anyone doing it so far. thanks to everyone who makes awesome tools for the pinhead community. edit: never mind the question, i messed around the the ahk and figured it out for one of them didn't think it was that simple