thaks for all the help guys unfortunately you are probably right about putting a computer together for myself but I would'nt know where to begin I know a few little computer shops that i might ask to build me something, the guys are pretty good, but basically i want at least a 5.1 surround, blu-ray or the option to upgrade to blu-ray, hdmi output, a decent enough graphic card to play the most recent pc games, at least a dual core cpu, 4gb of ram and at least a 500gb harddrive i have seen a few acer computers which loook pretty good http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Acer-Aspire-M5201-Quad-Core-Gaming-PC-2-3ghz-Fast-UK_W0QQitemZ260581365453QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_DesktopPCs?hash=item3cabdc16cd