See that's the weird thing the log's blank, well not really blank: 16:58:12.8 17/08/2007: GameEx: Version 8.75: Starting Log 16:58:12.9 17/08/2007: Operating System Platform: Win32NT 16:58:12.9 17/08/2007: Operating System Name: Windows XP 16:58:12.9 17/08/2007: Operating System Version: 5.1.2600 16:58:12.9 17/08/2007: Checking for versions of .net Framework installed 16:58:12.9 17/08/2007: .net Framework 2.0 Installed 16:58:12.9 17/08/2007: Intel® Xeon® CPU E5320 @ 1.86GHz, 3326MB 16:58:12.9 17/08/2007: 1.86Ghz - 4 Cores or CPU's 16:58:12.9 17/08/2007: Running Randomize() 16:58:12.9 17/08/2007: Loading PlugIns 16:58:13.2 17/08/2007: Checking for applications to Launch On Startup 16:58:13.2 17/08/2007: Running Misc startup tasks 16:58:13.2 17/08/2007: Setting Menu types 16:58:13.2 17/08/2007: Opening Configuration File 16:58:13.2 17/08/2007: Getting Configuration Values 16:58:13.2 17/08/2007: Using Theme: Default - Media Center 16:58:13.2 17/08/2007: Checking for alternate Image Directory for Theme: Default - Media Center 16:58:13.2 17/08/2007: Launching HideOS.exe 16:58:13.2 17/08/2007: Initialising Video/MNG DLL's 16:58:13.2 17/08/2007: Hiding Taskbar 16:58:13.2 17/08/2007: Is Media Center running? 16:58:13.2 17/08/2007: Checking/Creating LCD Registry values 16:58:13.2 17/08/2007: Check Media Center Exit/Start Mode 16:58:13.2 17/08/2007: Media Center Mode 2 16:58:13.2 17/08/2007: Video previews on. Warning: Only recommended on modern systems 16:58:13.2 17/08/2007: Snap Delay set to: 2 16:58:13.2 17/08/2007: Get other settings 16:58:13.3 17/08/2007: Desktop set to Hide ICONS and set Background to Black 16:58:13.3 17/08/2007: Backing up Registry Wallpaper Settings 16:58:13.3 17/08/2007: Set: Find emulator artwork on best match basis 16:58:13.3 17/08/2007: Start work for Form 16:58:13.3 17/08/2007: Getting Original Screen Size 16:58:13.4 17/08/2007: Opening Database Connection 16:58:14.1 17/08/2007: Initializing Component 16:58:14.3 17/08/2007: Retrieving resolution setting 16:58:14.3 17/08/2007: Creating Radio Station Genres 16:58:14.4 17/08/2007: Succesfully created station genres 16:58:14.4 17/08/2007: Initialising Windows Media Player Component 16:58:14.5 17/08/2007: MAME Path is: G:\MAME32 16:58:14.5 17/08/2007: MAME EXE file is: Mame32.exe 16:58:14.5 17/08/2007: ROM Path is: G:\-DATA-\-MAME ROMS- 16:58:14.5 17/08/2007: Catver.ini is located at: G:\-DATA-\-MY PROJECTS-\GameEx - VB.net\bin\DATA\catver.ini 16:58:14.5 17/08/2007: controls.ini is located at: G:\-DATA-\-MY PROJECTS-\GameEx - VB.net\bin\data\controls.ini 16:58:14.5 17/08/2007: History.dat is located at: G:\-DATA-\-MY PROJECTS-\GameEx - VB.net\bin\DATA\history.dat 16:58:14.5 17/08/2007: nplayers.ini is located at: G:\-DATA-\-MY PROJECTS-\GameEx - VB.net\bin\DATA\nplayers.ini 16:58:14.5 17/08/2007: MAMEinfo.dat is located at: G:\-DATA-\-MY PROJECTS-\GameEx - VB.net\bin\DATA\mameinfo.dat 16:58:14.5 17/08/2007: Loading Controls.ini map file 16:58:14.6 17/08/2007: Snap Path: Not Found 16:58:14.6 17/08/2007: AVI Snap Path is: G:\Mame32\MAMEMNG\ingame 16:58:14.6 17/08/2007: Flyer Path: Not Found 16:58:14.6 17/08/2007: Cabinet Path: Not Found 16:58:14.6 17/08/2007: Title Path: Not Found 16:58:14.6 17/08/2007: Panel Path: Not Found 16:58:14.6 17/08/2007: Manual Path: Not Found 16:58:14.6 17/08/2007: Icon Path: Not Found 16:58:14.6 17/08/2007: Marquee Path: Not Found 16:58:14.6 17/08/2007: Loading Custom Emulators 16:58:14.8 17/08/2007: Using 2D Animations 16:58:14.8 17/08/2007: Using General Font: Trebuchet MS 16:58:14.8 17/08/2007: Using Title Font: Trebuchet MS 16:58:14.8 17/08/2007: MAME CMD options: -triplebuffer -nowindow -joy 16:58:14.8 17/08/2007: Attempting to load game list 16:58:15.3 17/08/2007: Initialising DirectDraw 16:58:15.4 17/08/2007: Applying GameEx is Loading Image 16:58:15.5 17/08/2007: Creating DirectDraw Device 16:58:15.5 17/08/2007: Using Device: Primary Display Driver 16:58:16.4 17/08/2007: 0mb video memory available 16:58:16.8 17/08/2007: Setting Resolution to 800x600 32 bit color 16:58:16.9 17/08/2007: Cannot Set Resolution to: 800x600 32 bit color 16:58:16.9 17/08/2007: Error in the application. 16:58:16.9 17/08/2007: Trying current windows resolution 16:58:17.0 17/08/2007: Creating DirectDraw Surfaces 16:58:17.0 17/08/2007: Creating Primary Surface - Full Screen Mode 16:58:17.0 17/08/2007: Creating Back Buffer 16:58:17.0 17/08/2007: Loading graphic Surfaces 16:58:17.0 17/08/2007: Display is running at: 1280x720 16bit color, 42hz 16:58:17.0 17/08/2007: Creating Surfaces Misc and Dialogs 16:58:17.2 17/08/2007: Creating Surfaces Volume 16:58:17.2 17/08/2007: Creating Surfaces Arrows 16:58:17.3 17/08/2007: Creating Surfaces GameEXlogo Text 16:58:17.3 17/08/2007: Creating Surfaces Toolbar 16:58:17.5 17/08/2007: Creating Surfaces Backgrounds 16:58:22.1 17/08/2007: Creating Surfaces Toolbar Controls 16:58:22.2 17/08/2007: Creating Surfaces GameEx Logo 16:58:22.2 17/08/2007: Creating Surfaces Home & Exit 16:58:22.3 17/08/2007: Creating Surfaces Snaps 16:58:22.3 17/08/2007: Creating Surfaces Menu and List Bars 16:58:22.5 17/08/2007: Creating Fonts 16:58:22.5 17/08/2007: Creating Menu Font 16:58:22.6 17/08/2007: Restoring Menu Font From Cache 16:58:22.7 17/08/2007: Creating Game Font 16:58:22.8 17/08/2007: Creating Font Black 16:58:22.9 17/08/2007: Creating Font Black Small 16:58:22.9 17/08/2007: Creating Game Font Faded 16:58:23.0 17/08/2007: Creating Title Font 16:58:23.0 17/08/2007: Restoring Title Font From Cache 16:58:23.8 17/08/2007: Fonts Created Succesfully 16:58:23.8 17/08/2007: 0mb video memory left available 16:58:23.8 17/08/2007: Creating instance of global keyboard hook 16:58:23.8 17/08/2007: Starting GameExtender Publisher 16:58:23.9 17/08/2007: Text/Language: English 16:58:23.9 17/08/2007: Applying Language/Text 16:58:23.9 17/08/2007: Initialising Bass Audio Library 16:58:24.1 17/08/2007: Loading last used Game List 16:58:24.1 17/08/2007: Setting Music Volume 16:58:24.2 17/08/2007: Creating DirectSound Device 16:58:24.2 17/08/2007: Trying: Primary Sound Driver 16:58:24.2 17/08/2007: Loading Sound Files 16:58:24.3 17/08/2007: DirectSound Device Created Successfully 16:58:24.3 17/08/2007: Initialising DirectInput for Gamepad support 16:58:24.3 17/08/2007: Unable to create a joystick device 16:58:24.3 17/08/2007: Playing intro sound file 16:58:24.4 17/08/2007: Initializing MCE Remote 16:58:24.4 17/08/2007: Initialization OK! Starting GameEx! 16:58:24.4 17/08/2007: Testing Main Loop Once: Processing Frame 16:58:24.7 17/08/2007: Testing Main Loop Once: Main Loop ran successfully 16:58:36.2 17/08/2007: Exiting GameEx! 16:58:36.2 17/08/2007: Saving Settings 16:58:38.1 17/08/2007: Disposing Plugins 16:58:38.1 17/08/2007: Closing database connection 16:58:38.1 17/08/2007: Checking for applications to Launch On Exit But that's not my system that it's referring to. So bizarre. The main difficulty with drivers etc is that this is a Dell PC built for windows XP, but I'm running 98 on it. I was able to get drivers for everything, apart from the sound card in the PC, so I installed a separate PCI one for that. I'm pretty stumped, because it was actually loading to the registration screen when the PC was running 98, but it would freeze when it tried to actually go into the front end. But now with second edition, I've go no clue, I'm thinking I might have to bite the bullet and use XP...thanks for the replies so far though! Liam