Daphne just don't work

[enoch]

As far as I can tell, I have the paths correct. I don't know how it selects framfiles, but it isn't doing it right. Also, why isn't it seeing all the games in the Daphne folder?

[Brian Hoffman]

As far as I can tell, I have the paths correct. I don't know how it selects framfiles, but it isn't doing it right. Also, why isn't it seeing all the games in the Daphne folder?

You sepecify your frame file in the command example daphne.exe Lair -framefile c:\daphne\mpeg\lair.txt

It works fine for me. Try getting it working using daphne loader first as daphne is a little cumbersome.

Good luck

Brian Hoffman

[enoch]

Oh. I see. You mean use DaphneLoader for the exe. I tried that way back, originally, and it just opened up DaphneLoader, vs loading the game. (Had that with Mame32, also, but I guess that got fixed or something...I dunno, but it works...anyways...) It only loads DL. Click on any other game in the list, it loads DL. But that's only with the old Daphne. It won't load games at all on the new one. Dunno....

[Brian Hoffman]

Oh. I see. You mean use DaphneLoader for the exe. I tried that way back, originally, and it just opened up DaphneLoader, vs loading the game. (Had that with Mame32, also, but I guess that got fixed or something...I dunno, but it works...anyways...) It only loads DL. Click on any other game in the list, it loads DL. But that's only with the old Daphne. It won't load games at all on the new one. Dunno....

not really. I meant use daphne loader to discover what game calls what rom. dragonlair could be LAIR or DLE20 depending what version you want to run. so command line is daphne.exe DLE20(dragonlair) -framefile (frame file location) or Daphne.exe ACE -framefile(space ace framefile location)

For every game you have you need to configure this info in gameex.

I think somtime today I will take snapshots of my config and upload them.

I hope this make better since

Brian Hoffman

[enoch]

I thought you meant just in DaphneLoader and had a nasty response for Speirs in relation, but then I thought maybe you meant using it as an exe. Like using Mame32, that would make shit a lot simpler. (hint, hint to the spe god.) I tried what you said and it didn't work. You could just paste one framefile entry in GE manager.

Really, why this isn't automatic I don't fuckin know. Same with the game list files for mame. (When switching mame exe's, it's very temperamental: game list...now no game list....do this (really fuckin weird intuitional thing) and game list...hey....switch...nope, now no game list.

[Brian Hoffman]

I thought you meant just in DaphneLoader and had a nasty response for Speirs in relation, but then I thought maybe you meant using it as an exe. Like using Mame32, that would make shit a lot simpler. (hint, hint to the spe god.) I tried what you said and it didn't work. You could just paste one framefile entry in GE manager.

Really, why this isn't automatic I don't fuckin know. Same with the game list files for mame. (When switching mame exe's, it's very temperamental: game list...now no game list....do this (really fuckin weird intuitional thing) and game list...hey....switch...nope, now no game list.

Now I really dont understnad how you are trying to make this work.

GAMEEX has an advance configuration for DAPHNE games. Along with sample configurations.

Are you editing these for your specific configuration.

Have you got daphne to work outside of gameex?

Can you post and example of how you are trying to make it work. along with a sample framefile?

[enoch]

Yes, I can run games from the Daphneloader fe. I meant you could just paste in your next post one of your framefile entries. I could probly figure the rest out from there. Framefile generation is supposed to be automatic, huh? Well, it did have something when I looked, originally, but they didn't have the paths that the files are in my computer. Also, It didn't show all the daphne games I have, either in the manager or in the Daphne game list when running GE. It obviously didn't find them.

I'm messing around with Maximus Arcade. There are some things I like better about GE....BUT, with MA, in each emu selection all I had to do was select an exe - and boom, each one works 'right outta the fuckin box'. Daphne - first time. Visual Pinball - first time. Mame - first time. Too bad I can't combine features of both fe's.

[jthompson]

Yes, I can run games from the Daphneloader fe. I meant you could just paste in your next post one of your framefile entries. I could probly figure the rest out from there. Framefile generation is supposed to be automatic, huh? Well, it did have something when I looked, originally, but they didn't have the paths that the files are in my computer. Also, It didn't show all the daphne games I have, either in the manager or in the Daphne game list when running GE. It obviously didn't find them.

I'm messing around with Maximus Arcade. There are some things I like better about GE....BUT, with MA, in each emu selection all I had to do was select an exe - and boom, each one works 'right outta the fuckin box'. Daphne - first time. Visual Pinball - first time. Mame - first time. Too bad I can't combine features of both fe's.

I think what Brian Hoffman was referring to was you need to set up Daphne from the Daphne section of the config. Don't try to set it up as an emu as GameEx has special settings for Daphne just like it has special settings for Mame. Trying to set it up as an emu is a bitch, I've tried (before I saw the special Daphne section of the config) and had the same problems you are having. The roms/discs for daphne can each be tweaked in this section separately and turned on or off so to speak. I don't think you can set up GameEx to use daphneloader to launch games, at least I can't think of why you would want to.

As for the shortcomings of other front ends, sorry can't help you there as this is not the place to discuss them.

Jay Thompson

daphne_config_cut_from_gameex_ini.txt

[enoch]

I don't think that configuratiON menu has anything different than the manager does, it's just available from within GE so you don't have to exit and restart it. I'm not sure though cos I have no idea how to access it.

And the reason I referenced MA is cos you can have all the kick ass features you want, but at the end of the day - and it shouldn't take that long, which is my fucking point (no acid, but much emphasis, here) - if it runs, then it beats the shit out of whatever else. Thing is, MA is a competitor, meaning it's apparently as complex in basic function as GE. Exe vs working path I think doesn't matter. VP and Daphne work/all games are automatically recognised and playable. How was he able to do this when run first time?

[jthompson]

I don't think that configuratino menu has anything different than the manager does, it's just available from with GE so you don't have to exit and restart it. I'm not sure though cos I have no idea how to access it.

And the reason I referenced MA is cos you can have all the kick ass features you want, but at the end of the day - and it shouldn't take that long, which is my fucking point (no acid, but much emphasis, here) - if it runs, then it beats the shit out of whatever else. Thing is, MA is a competitor, meaning it's apparently as complex in basic function as GE. Exe vs working path I think doesn't matter. VP and Daphne work/all games are automatically recognised and playable. How was he able to do this when run first time?

My mistake, you are obviously right, I'm sorry I couldn't help you.

Jay T

[bkenobi]

My mistake, you are obviously right, I'm sorry I couldn't help you.

Jay T

You try to help and that's the response you get? WOW!

[headkaze]

enoch tone down your swearing please.

Read rule 6 of the Forum Rules & Guidelines

[enoch]

Sure thing, headkaze. I appreciate all the assistance, I really do. My responses aren't pointed in any direction but GE's author, and it's just a monumental question mark, not anything venomous. I really want to like GE for some reason. It has cool stuff. But the main features - running the main emulators - should be a one-time shot. When they aren't but are on others it really begs the question.

[headkaze]

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt enoch, but it's really innapropriate to say things about the author who we all very much respect here. It's the quickest way to get ignored and/or banned. Your comment "hint, hint to the spe god." may not be meant in a smart arse way but it's very much close to crossing the line IMHO.

There has been a tonne of work to make GameEx setup as easy as possible but I'm sure if GameEx went fully commercial like Maximus Arcade it would allow Tom some extra time to devote to making it easier. Personally I think people would prefer it to remain free with the optional donation. That of course is all debateable.

I have read over your posts and to be honest most of them make no sense to me. You are not clearly explaining what your doing and what is failing.

When I setup Daphne I did have to edit some frame files manually, as you say sometimes they are wrong, or have the paths incorrect. You need to edit them to suit your setup. Perhaps you could post a framefile here, along with a snapshot of your settings in GameEx for a particular game, and we can help you get it working. Once you figure out how to get a few games working the rest should be easier to set up.

There is a learning curve involved with setting up a FE and everyone has to go through that. A year or so ago it was 10 times harder to setup, so there have been substancial improvements on making it easier over the last year or so. So bear with us, stay calm, write clearly what your trying to achieve and what is not working and we will try our best to help you.

[bkenobi]

I have to disagree that other front ends are easier to setup. I've been looking around again over the last few weeks due to problems on my new machine (that I think got solved today ). I figured there might have been an advance in FE's in the last year, but I really did not see that. There are two others that claim easy setup (Maximus Arcade and ... sorry I forget the name, but it has modules for each emulator), but one is NOT free, and the other is not exactly as easy as it claims. Anyway, long and the short of it is that GameEx is not perfect, but with the people around here on the forum, most problems can be solved quickly. Just give us a chance to help!

Btw, I decided to go with GameEx on both machines

[Tom Speirs]

Enoch,

Please take this as a warning. I dont have a problem with you insulting me for whatever reason you feel you have to but if you upset anyone else again yourll be banned.

Thanks.

[enoch]

I wasn't insulting you, Tom. The first time, some months ago, I tried to set up GE, I spent 20+ hours to no avail. I posted to the forum. No response. After five days, I emailed you. No response. The 'spe god' remark was to see if you were paying attention. And by 'really want to like GE' I meant would really like to be able to use it. Nothing leading there. Also, there are people in New York and Jersey that just cuss. They don't mean anything by it, it's just a part of their speech. To all else who've responded, my comments haven't been personal, merely colorful.

headkaze: there are two fe's with managers that I've used that the games and game lists worked the first time. One was only Mame, the other was various emulators, all of which have been problematic on GE. I thought the reason to have path setters was for it to be automatic. I thought the reason for automatic processes (like the setting of related paths when selecting a working path) was to have all other related paths set automatically. With regard to Mame, the 'favorites' path isn't set. This isn't a big deal, but the framefiles I think are. It's obviously possible to have the fe find all the games in Daphne as well as the framefiles just by setting the exe. I'm just wondering why GE doesn't do these. (I mean, I've heard of people having different paths for things, but I generally can't guess why anyone would do it.) And the documentation just says you can set certain parametres to certain values, but not why. If any of those things require any kind of specialist knowledge beyond settings basic paths, then perhaps they should be classified so.

Does any of that make sense?

[headkaze]

It's quite okay to color your post a bit, but going overboard starts to sound like your having a rant, bitch and/or moan. Noone comes here wanting to listen to people bitch about how difficult it is to operate a computer. Where here to help people who are considerate enough to ask for help politely. We are after all on the Internet, not New York or Jersey.

Thanks for your points on how to improve the Setup Wizard, I'll take them on board. Perhaps I could add an "auto setup" feature to it, and hope the user trusts me enough to assume I know better than them where and how things should be setup. Could be nice for new users, personally I would avoid such a feature as I prefer to be in more control of how things are setup. Anyway your points are taken.

[enoch]

Well, since there is automation (setting the working path sets other related paths) I thought it would set all related paths. Then if someone like yourself wanted to set it differently, they would. I'm used to everything being categorised by respective folders, so all my paths for each emu are inside the folder with that exe. Why would you set it up differently?

[bkenobi]

I've seen people put all roms in one directory and put all emus in another (within subdirectories obviously) and others put roms in each emulators directory. There are advantages for each method, but it ends up a personal preference. I personally have tried both and currently keep my roms in a single directory split out into each system (MAME roms stay in the MAME directory though) because it's easier to maintain sets with a single rom directory.

[headkaze]

I've seen people put all roms in one directory and put all emus in another (within subdirectories obviously) and others put roms in each emulators directory. There are advantages for each method, but it ends up a personal preference. I personally have tried both and currently keep my roms in a single directory split out into each system (MAME roms stay in the MAME directory though) because it's easier to maintain sets with a single rom directory.

This is the way I have mine setup also. Actually the Setup Wizard does sort of encourage C:\Emulators\[EmuName] and C:\Roms\[system] which is the default for downloading emu's, the default configs etc. This is my personal preferred way also.

[enoch]

I don't do a lot of set maintenance or whatever, but yeah I'd figure it'd be easier. Then again I guess if you were running clrmamepro with any certain exe, it would only recognise the roms pertaining to it, right? But if you wanted to actually find a rom in particular, yeah, much easier to be separated.

And on the preset paths, I guess that would be okay. It used to be that every emu had its own folder in Program Files. Then I finally grouped them in Games. Partly, cos Windows - or is it the app - wants to install things in Program Files have I sort stuck there. But I guess doing C:\emulators would be fine. Of course, with whatever front end one has, they could also stick all their emus with it.

So on Daphne, the framefile box preset, huh?

[Brian Hoffman]

I don't do a lot of set maintenance or whatever, but yeah I'd figure it'd be easier. Then again I guess if you were running clrmamepro with any certain exe, it would only recognise the roms pertaining to it, right? But if you wanted to actually find a rom in particular, yeah, much easier to be separated.

And on the preset paths, I guess that would be okay. It used to be that every emu had its own folder in Program Files. Then I finally grouped them in Games. Partly, cos Windows - or is it the app - wants to install things in Program Files have I sort stuck there. But I guess doing C:\emulators would be fine. Of course, with whatever front end one has, they could also stick all their emus with it.

So on Daphne, the framefile box preset, huh?

I found this.

http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/Daphne

[enoch]

Thanks. How do you access the configuration menu from inside GE? I can't find it in any of the documentation, etc.

[enoch]

On the config app, I have yes checked. Also, I have 'use bezel in vertical games' checked, but it's not showing. And, I tried that daphne entry just for astron belt. It didn't work. (You'll notice in the log entry below it excludes 'daphne.exe' because I tried it with, first; then without.)

Verifying Select Your Language...

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Verifying Input Settings...

Verifying Keyboard Input...

Verifying Joystick Input...

Verifying Video/Movie Settings...

Video Path/s: "C:\Video" does not exist.

Video Path/s (*.*): No files found in "C:\Video".

Startup Video/Dir: "C:\Video" does not exist.

Startup Video/Dir (*.*): No files found in "C:\Video".

Verifying Picture/Slideshow Settings...

Picture Path/s: "C:\Pictures" does not exist.

Picture Path/s (*.*): No files found in "C:\Pictures".

Verifying DVD Settings...

DVD from Disk Path/s: "C:\DVD" does not exist.

DVD from Disk Path/s (*.*): No files found in "C:\DVD".

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Path to CDG/MP3 Files: "C:\Karaoke" does not exist.

Path to CDG/MP3 Files (*.*): No files found in "C:\Karaoke".

Verifying Attract/Screensaver...

Videos Path: "C:\Video" does not exist.

Videos Path (*.*): No files found in "C:\Video".

Verifying GameExtender Server Settings...

Verifying GameExtender Viewer Settings...

Verifying Download Emulators...

Verifying Basic MAME Settings (1)...

Video Snap Path: "C:\Emulators\Mame32\avisnap" does not exist.

Video Snap Path (*.*): No files found in "C:\Emulators\Mame32\avisnap".

Verifying Basic MAME Settings (2)...

Manual path: "C:\Emulators\Mame32\manuals" does not exist.

Manual path (*.*): No files found in "C:\Emulators\Mame32\manuals".

Verifying Advanced MAME Settings (1)...

Verifying Advanced MAME Settings (2)...

Verifying Advanced MAME Settings (3)...

Verifying Advanced MAME Settings (4)...

Verifying AdvanceMAME...

AdvanceMAME Path: "C:\Emulators\AdvanceMAME" does not exist.

AdvanceMAME Path (*.*): No files found in "C:\Emulators\AdvanceMAME".

Verifying Zinc...

Zinc Path: "C:\Emulators\ZiNc" does not exist.

Zinc Path (*.*): No files found in "C:\Emulators\ZiNc".

Verifying Model 2...

Model 2 Path: "C:\Emulators\Model2" does not exist.

Model 2 Path (*.*): No files found in "C:\Emulators\Model2".

Verifying Daphne (1)...

Daphne Snap/Video Path: "C:\Emulators\Daphne\images" does not exist.

Daphne Snap/Video Path (*.*): No files found in "C:\Emulators\Daphne\images".

Daphne Flyer Image Path: "C:\Emulators\Daphne\flyers" does not exist.

Daphne Flyer Image Path (*.*): No files found in "C:\Emulators\Daphne\flyers".

Daphne Cabinet Image Path: "C:\Emulators\Daphne\cabinets" does not exist.

Daphne Cabinet Image Path (*.*): No files found in "C:\Emulators\Daphne\cabinets".

Daphne Title Image Path: "C:\Emulators\Daphne\titles" does not exist.

Daphne Title Image Path (*.*): No files found in "C:\Emulators\Daphne\titles".

Daphne Marquee Image Path: "C:\Emulators\Daphne\marquees" does not exist.

Daphne Marquee Image Path (*.*): No files found in "C:\Emulators\Daphne\marquees".

Daphne Panel Image Path: "C:\Emulators\Daphne\cpanel" does not exist.

Daphne Panel Image Path (*.*): No files found in "C:\Emulators\Daphne\cpanel".

Verifying Daphne (2)...

Verifying Emulator Selection...

Verifying Emulator 1: Pinball (Visual Pinball)...

Logo: "C:\Documents and Settings\*******\My Documents\GameEx\THEMES\Default - Deep Purple\MEDIA\LOGOS\vpin.png" does not exist.

Verifying Emulator 2: PC Games...

Verifying Emulator 3: mame .104...

Verifying Emulator 4: mame32FX...

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